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  Caught between the Internet and

  by cha ching in

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  because of the internet exposing the untruthfulness of 607, it makes the claim that jesus took up kingdom power 'began ruling 1914.

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  Because of the internet exposing the untruthfulness of 607, it makes the claim that Jesus took up kingdom power 'began ruling 1914
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  Are born-ins or are converts most likely to leave?

  by Julia Orwell in

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  maybe born-ins are, because we converts made the choice whereas the born-ins did not.

  or are the converts more likely to because of thought patterns developed outside the cult?

  i'd like to know what you think..

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  I was young when my mom studied, became a witness. My husband started studying when he was 12 or 13, & after high school he became a JW.

  Both of us had seen sooooooooooo many things happen, over soooooo many years.

  It's like you are living in fairy tale land. "Everything will be ok, wave the wand, wait on Jehovah, don't push ahead."

  We were always told it was our fault. (Oh, so that's why you lied to us?)

  We did not have the resources (old books, internet) to discover the lies being told. Both of us are studiers, researchers, want the "truth", want to "get to the bottom of it all." Didn't have the means.. especially b4 the internet. WT also keeps you too busy. The merry-go-round of: Service, regular meetings, elders meetings, RBC, etc., etc., etc..

  My husband's viewpoint: "It always had to be 'me.' "I wasn't studying enough," etc.... When something happened that was obviously wrong, a very faint voice from a distant part of my brain said..... "What if something is wrong with them?" All I did was study WT publications ONLY. It was enough to help me lose a lot of fear based phobias."

  My viewpoint: My story is... that I am not sure how long I would have lasted without my husband. After a run in with a brother who wronged us, and post traumatic stress when trying to go in service (we had to turn around and go home as my fear increased as we approached the meeting for service, then... after 6 months? I could go up to a door, start trembling, go home... then... go for a while... etc, etc, etc.. they gave talks at assemblies, I had to leave the area.. ) I think I may have left then... or soon after. Christians should not lie, steal, etc. The brothers that tried to "help us" sort thru it were all liars... caught in their own lies, just stared back at us when I said "Hey! you are lying!"

  I couldn't take the "forgive and forget" when no one was willing to admit.

  Leaving for me? I wanted to make sure my kids got out. My husband, me and my kids. If I got them out, I'd make it. I have other fam' that's in, others that are not.

  I actually thought people could think. When I discovered things, and shared, asked questions, I could not believe how many of my "friends" could not, would not, think. Not even give me a chance. Not even look at the scriptures I presented. Not look at the "history" of JWs... I found my "friends" were not my true "friends." So be it. Who needs friends like that? It is hard to start rebuilding resources at this age, but not impossible. Other people need friends too.

  So to sum up your question: We think it doesn't matter if you are born in, or a convert.

  Me: I think it depends on each individual, their character, and experience.

  Him: When obviously bad things happen, combined with researched facts that contradict printed statements in the WT, anything is possible.
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  Forget ROSE colored glasses! We've got WTBS colored glasses!

  by cha ching in

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  July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

  by confusedteenager in

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  2. friends

  not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

  they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

  of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

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  "The train is running out of track, but they are going full steam ahead.

  They have also blackened out the windows so the passengers have no idea of what's coming."

  Perfect illustration, DATADOG!
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  July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

  by confusedteenager in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

  they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

  of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

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  cha ching

  Page 21 Pgph 4: The context of the illustration shows..... and

  Let us see how the Scriptures lead us to this conclusion

  They have had "context and scriptures" for 135 years... If those two things

  have not helped them in this amount of time, why should we think they

  have it right now?

  If your accountant couldn't straighten your bank account out in 135 years,

  would you still trust him?
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  JULY 15TH STUDY EDITION :"If ever that evil slave..." page 24

  by raymond frantz in

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  box on page 24 of the july 15th titled :"if ever the evil slave....".

  jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time.

  jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability.

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  cha ching

  Lets review:

  1914.... 1925... 1942 +/-... 1975... "within the 20th century"....... the 1914 generation

  one of the 6 reasons we know we are in the last days.... the annointed numbers were suppose to be going down...

  and now.... because these things didn't work out, we are asked to accept this new light as truth...

  hmmmmm....

  is the light going on?
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  Think this may help new members and lurkers in the back ground

  by AMO in

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  think this may help all new members here and any lurkers in the back ground,who may be struggeling with the conscience.

  i'am not a jw but when i came across this short vid my jaw was on the floor.

  how can some body get away with such blatant lies and deception was beond me at the time, now i know differently.

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  Thx for the BTT Amo!

  That video from WakeUpWitness makes it very simple and clear that the WTBS needs to misquote someone to prove their point.

  When you have "the truth," there is no need to change "the truth."
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  Judicial committee questions

  by slimboyfat in

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  when the elders invite someone to a judicial committee does the person under scrutiny have the right to ask beforehand what evidence will be adduced against him and what witnesses will be called?

  in other words is there pre-trial disclosure within the watchtower's quasi legal process?

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  Never, ever, ever go to an "judicial committee meeting" or any other "investigative committee".... period.

  It's 3 (or you may as well say "the whole world") against you.

  They will do what they have decided to do ahead of time to you.

  Do not give them the power.

  We have personally experienced pre-meditated lying.

  You will end up with post traumatic stress.

  Skip the bad nightmares that will haunt you for years.

  It is just a formality, so that they can say "we tried, they are brazen, we are righteous."
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  If you started an organisation (related to exposing the Watchtower, helping Jw's who are disfellowshipped, or any other worthy cause).. What would it be called and what would you aim to achieve?

  by The Quiet One in

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  ...?.

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  cha ching

  Witness my Fury, I like your idea... WARN .... "Watchtower Abuse Recovery Network"

  It sounds positive. People who are hurt & confused & mad need a positive message in their head.

  Plus, if they happened to type in "Watchtower" to Google, they'd be likely to find it.
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  WTS action on Conti's case 3/27/2013

  by mind blown in

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  as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.

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  cha ching

  I have read parts of the Conti case appeal by McCabe, and am also left to wonder:

  Does the Org act as if the "know not," just so they can delay & appeal and hit with their wilier & bigger gunslater?

  Sounds like a good lawyer tactic.

  P.S. After looking at the case in San Diego

  **of which McCabe was a part of

  ** where a boy was abused (the abuser had been a pioneer, MS, & elder.. see details in link below)

  **the mom, Manuela Dorman, was basically threatened w/blackmail if she were to pursue it...

  ** “I also called Roberto Rivera, Johnny River’as father. I told him about my son’s abuse and that John had told me that Brother Rivera’s son, Johnny, had also been abused. Roberto told me he would call me back after he had spoken to his son, Johnny, and the church Elders. Roberto called me back and told me that the Elders said I should not take any further action or call anyone else in the congregation about what had happened, or an affair that I had when I was attending the Linda Vista Congregation would be made public in the congregation. I told Roberto that I did not care, and that I would continue to push the issue.

  ** and the case was settled "out of court" with a gag order (you can still read the depositions, I believe)

  Pge 104 of this link, but page 6 of Manuela Dorman's deposition, line 12 - 19 http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/cases/Zalkin-Plaintiff_John_Dorman's_Ntc_of_Lodgment_in_Support_of_Opp_to_Mtns_for_Summary_Judgment_12-16-11.pdf

  Can an attorney use quotes from these depositions in another case?

  Can he even refer to these depositions if there is a gag order????

  Also, let's say there was someone that was depositioned, but not awarded any money.

  Does the gag order apply to them? Can the Society or Court prevent them from saying anything or testifying in another case?